A tour of password questions and answers

2011-07-06 by . 1 comments

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According to Rory Alsop’s post the most popular topic at our IT Security site is passwords.  So in this post I’ll provide a tour of some relevant questions and answers, and a look at how it sparked further investigation of the sorry state of password protection in some current systems.

There is an amazing amount of confusion, disinformation and bad practice out there with respect to password management.  This is all the more frustrating because the basics were worked out back in the dark ages (1978 to be precise) for Unix by Bob Morris and Ken Thompson (Password Security: A Case History, Morris & Thompson, 1978). They not only covered the importance of hashing passwords with salts and a slow algorithm, but they described what is now called a “pepper” (a second salt stored apart from the password database).

So if you peruse the dozens of ‘passwords’ questions you’ll find frequent reference to the basics.  We’ve also tried to summarize some of the key points in the ‘passwords’ tag info.  By the way, that’s one of the cool things about StackExchange sites in general – how they provide for a little “wiki” for each tag, to allow us to put key information just a mouse hover or one click away from readers.

Of course even among good practitioners, there are debates about the finer points, and that is another thing you’ll find here.  See e.g. the spirited conversation about highly iterated password hashes for web apps vs the risk of DDoS attacks at Do any security experts recommend bcrypt for password storage?.

In the end, you’ll often find that the right approach depends on what kind of “security” you’re looking for.  As our Frequently Asked Questions points out, this depends on context – what assets you’re trying to protect from what sorts of threats, how your different vulnerabilities compare, and how that all fits into your business plan.

I’ll end with a look at one question which demonstrates the kind of expertise we have already attracted to the site: MySQL OLD_PASSWORD cryptanalysis?.  I asked this after stumbling across some other questions about how MySQL used to deal with passwords.  To my amazement, within hours, noted cryptographer Thomas Pornin had not only cracked the old algorithm, but he included some code to demonstrate just how totally broken the OLD_PASSWORD scheme was.  Subsequently we also found a paper from 2006 with more details.  Evidently the folks at Oracle who work on MySQL hadn’t gotten the memo then, and still have a lot of work to do to improve their current scheme, as described at Looking for example of well-known app using unsalted hashes.

So stay ahead of the crowd: when you have a question about security, see if we have a good answer.  If not, ask away.  And if you see questions that need more work, please contribute to providing good answers!

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  • Rakkhi says:

    Nice first post! Lots of useful links there. I would wager the reason that there is a lot of questions on passwords is that for most people passwords, along with firewalls and antivirus == security.

    I wonder if we will ever get to a stage where people will just outsource to federated authentication and so trying to design password management systems.